Interview with Mie and Mille: Adrian Hextall
With a tour just completed, The SoapGirls took time to talk to Adrian Hextall outside a frequent stopover for them, the iconic Monarch Venue in Camden Town, London. A short 15 minute interview was planned. After 30 minutes the questions were scrapped and after that, well…. take a look.
AH: What is it about you two and Camden? Every time you play Camden it’s a win. You get a good crowd. Camden loves you clearly. What is it?
Mille: Oh, thank you. I don’t know for us, we absolutely love Camden because it’s so eccentric, it’s so diverse, it’s so open to new things.
Mie: We can to basically find anything here, yeah.
AH: It’s very true.
Mille: It’s reflective of the kind of audience we have. We have different kinds of people who come to the shows so–
Mie: From old to younger to–
Mille: Whatever walk of life, and I think Camden is a great blend of that. You might get someone that’s very I don’t know, serious, that works here and then you get people that are very artsy and out there and it’s a great mix. I think our show is very off the walls so a lot of people in Camden are like, “F**k, yeah”, this sounds like our kind of thing.
AH: Yeah, it fits the scene of Camden town as well.
Mille: Well, thank you, that’s a big–
Mie: Compliment, yeah.
Mille: Yeah, because even when we were in South Africa everyone was like, “Oh my God, one day you’ve got to go to Camden, it’s the best place in England. You’ve gotta go there”.
Mie: We agree, it’s one of our favorite places.
AH: And with the outfits and everything as well, presumably anything you want to complement the outfits that you wear you can get here.
Mille: I know that’s what I love.
Mie: You know what the saddest thing is? Every time we’ve come to Camden we’ve never come early enough because something always happens for us to go around and look at the shops, but people are like, “Oh, you have to go shopping there” but maybe it’s a–
Mille: We’ve driven past and we’re like, “Oh”.
Mie: Maybe it’s a good thing because I think we would spend every last penny.
Mille: Maybe we would be even broker than what we are.
AH: How long are you here for? Where’d you go next?
Mille: We are next gonna be in Reading, the next show on Friday and then Saturday is our final show of the tour at–
AH: It is Rotherham, isn’t it?
AH: Yes, and then what back home?
Mille: Back to South Africa.
Mie: Back to South Africa.
Mille: I wouldn’t exactly call it home. We don’t ever actually abandon our home, yeah. We’re kind of gonna go on a like a holiday let’s say. It feels like a holiday even though it’s not a holiday… it’s just because it doesn’t feel like home to us. We’re gonna go back, write, finish the third album, and then make the two outfits and get ready.
AH: Now, you talk about the new album as well. New song coming.
AH: Should we get to hear it?
Mille: Yes. We’re playing it tonight as well. It’s very —
Mie: — a new cool sound,
Mille: Yeah, very melodic, different.
AH: I was gonna say and what’s different compared to what’s come previously?
Mille: Okay. Well, I don’t generally allow my sister to have melodic sweet ways at all in the songs.
Mie: So this song was feisty.
Mille: Kind of a free rein.
Mie: Yeah, I got to kind of just–
Mille: Do what she wanted, yeah. It’s very melodic, it’s very catchy. I generally prefer more aggressive sound of music, so this is–
Mie: But you’ll see with the new album it’s a whole mix again.
Mille: Yeah, but also it’s not just nonsensical shit. It’s like if you listen to the lyrics are about something and it’s quite serious. If you read between the lines of the lyrics you’ll feel what we’re saying when you hear the song. It might be very sweet but it’s got a biting edge to it.
AH: And presumably something about that single in isolation, you want it on the radio and things like that. From talking to your PR earlier, he thinks this is your killer tune that’s gonna get the radio audience as well.
Mie: Oh, we hope so.
AH: So, that’s pretty cool.
Mille: How can I say? In some sense, we don’t care about the radio but in another sense, I think it would be pretty cool to f**k up the system by putting a band like us on there to give them a good wake up shock.
Mie: People think, “Oh, such a sweet little band” and then they go on the next step, “Wow, what’s this?”
Mille: Yeah. I think it would be cool to shake up the system. Look, the radio isn’t inherently bad. I just think the people controlling it are pretty sh*t, so f**k it.
Mie: It’s kind of just the same old, same old every day, and it will be nice for them to have a kick up the bum.
AH: And also, if it does contain that sort of melodic element that you’re talking about in this track as well, that gets you on the radio and then people come and see the show, and they’re gonna walk out going what happened then?
AH: And that’s got to be the effect you want.
Mille: No definitely. If someone leaves our show without being changed in some way I would feel kind of weird. I think we love the fact that people leave our shows thinking. Whatever they used to think it for the show it stops. They’ve got a new idea, a new perspective.
Mie: As is supposed to make you question things, so that’s what’s to supposed to bear.
AH: The only person that can’t question anything is the guy that does the drink. [If you don’t know, one unsuspecting soul is treated to a bottle of ‘insert lethal concoction here’ and downs it in one. Some have made it out unscathed, others… let’s just say paramedics were called!]
Mille: Well, yeah. I don’t know. I think the people who do the voodoo juice and drink whatever how can I say…?
Mie: They’re very brave souls.
Mie: Rest in peace.
Mille: They’re like your sacrifice, you know what I mean. Every show needs one person.
Mie: Or two sometimes.
AH: And on that, without giving away the secrets of the recipe for that particular one. If you were going to put a cocktail together that was gonna f**k up your weekend, what would be in it?
Mie: Definitely absinthe in here.
AH: Yeah, but the good stuff
Mie: Yeah, not the cheap stuff. Against that the good stuff, lots of like, maybe like, sugary fruit juice and then fuck loads of rum, ports, limoncello, basically make the most disgusting concoction, yeah.
Mille: And there for me, it’s just all the like they could that’s 48% and up and you got.
Mie: Brown Ale, yeah. Newcastle Brown Ale, that stuff’s heavy.
AH: It is the next day.
Mille: I know, yeah.
AH: That’s when it hits both ends, yeah.
Mie: Maybe that’s what’s called Brown Ale.
Mille: Yeah, totally. [laughs]
Mie: Oh, my God.
AH: I can see why you put that one in definitely. Presumably, the sugary stuff is in it though so you can drink it because the sweetener allows you to just take it well.
Mille: But I don’t like that kind of alcohol because it’s deceptive. It’s the same with society, “Oh, I don’t like reading news from specific sources because it’s just a bunch of sh*t”. If you actually realize what you’re taking in, you’ll know that you’re being duped. At the end of the day, it’s gonna be a nasty shock for you.
Mie: You’re being duped.
Mille: You’re being duped. It’s true, so rather I like whisky because I know what I’m getting and I know when I’m starting to feel tipsy it’s the same with news when you go out and you find it for yourself.
AH: It’s really true, yeah.
Mie: You might as well just drink, what’s that stuff called, methylated spirits, yeah, there we go.
Mille: That’s just you dude, yeah, you’re sick.
AH: [laughter] What’s next for you guys because obviously, the end of the tours coming up, a new album in the works, new music.
Mille: DIY videos, everything and well next year we’re gonna be touring America for the first time, so that’s gonna be very interesting. It’s gonna be insane.
AH: With somebody or on your own?
Mille: No, We’re doing 65 dates on our own and we just– yeah, it’s good.
Mille: Yeah, and in about two months, two and a half months.
Mie: We might film it just to show to people. [laughs]
AH: So, basically six nights a week roughly.
Mille: Yeah, that’s what we’re doing Europe. We actually prefer it. I find when we do like in England you don’t perform as much as you do in Europe because a lot of venues– unless it’s London. It doesn’t matter what day of the week you play it.
Mie: Like on a Monday is not very the best day kind of.
Mille: But in Europe any day is a good day. We pretty much play six nights a week but I find when you stop like in England we only do about four shows a week, then you kind of feel the effects of it way more.
Mie: Yeah, you feel f**ked.
Mille: Yeah, because your body has a few days to really make you feel like sh*t, but when you’re just in the moment and you’re carrying on I mean, you’ve got no choice, you gotta just go with it.
AH: And you’re hitting pretty much all the states while you’re out there with all these shows.
Mille: I think we’re definitely doing the coasts. Like both coasts.
Mie: Bible Belt for sure.
Mille: Yeah, I didn’t know. [laughs]
AH: I was gonna say ’cause I mean that could really kick off.
Mie: Yeah, I think so. Imagine, “Hey, they’re got their boobies out”. [Slow southern drawl perfectly delivered].
Mille: No, look, you couldn’t come from the worst place. We come from–
Mie: South Africa it’s very conservative. I mean if we can handle that and I’ve been arrested there for indecent exposure then I think it’s pretty much roughly like the States, whatever.
Mille: Funny enough though, sometimes I find it ironic, the people that are supposedly super conservative… they are but they’re a bit more accepting of people that are not from their village so if you went there then they’ll be lenient.
Mie: So, it’s like, “They’re foreigners, that’s fine. they’re French or something”. [US accent continues beautifully].
Mille: And then they’re okay but then there’re people that are supposedly open-minded. We’ve met met people in countries and they’re like, “Oh, we’re feminist but how you dress is offensive”. And I’m like, “What a f**k”. I’m like, “Dude, seriously? You’re supposed to be the open-minded side of things, the left, but you’re even worse and an extreme right hand whatever person”. I’m like, “What the f**k”. I never judged. Maybe the Bible Belt might be I don’t know, a good place.
[siren – blue flashing lights as a police van flies past the venue in Camden]
Mie: I like the sound. Gary Numan cars, I love it.
AH: And of course the sound that you can’t miss when you come to Camden.
Mille: Oh, beautiful.
Mie: The sound of the police.
Mille: At least no one’s been shot though, that’s pretty cool.
AH: That’s very true.
AH: Of course, that’s one thing to factor in when you’re touring the States.
Mille: Yeah, that’s pretty true, yeah. I don’t know, I’m gonna–
Mie: Like what happened to Dimebag Darrell.
Mille: Yeah, that’s not funny, dude.
Mie: I’m not laughing.
Mille: Yeah, okay, but I’m just saying, like I just want to say the cool thing about England is knowing that no one’s armed, but at the same time it’s also scary because when people aren’t allowed to openly and carry a weapon and they do also conceal things, that’s kind of scary too. At least you know what you’re getting in America.
Mie: I think maybe in America because of their health care system, a lot of mentally ill people aren’t on the proper medication, so they’re kind of walking out. [laughter]
AH: Yeah, with a gun.
Mille: I don’t know. Now, I think we’re gonna have a good time. I’m just gonna go with the expectation of anything, and anything and everything could happen, just go with it.
AH: I mean the firearms thing, you see that a little bit when you’re on holiday back in South Africa as well.
Mie: Yeah, everybody has a gun.
AH: I’ve done casinos in Jo’burg, for example, and you’ve got the gun bins as you go in. You put your gun in and it rotates around to like the next one available it’s like, “Really?”.
Mille: But again, it depends on the mentality of people. Guns are not inherently bad. It’s the people who own them who don’t know why they’re there? Do you know what I mean? In 1912 more people own guns than they do now, it’s a fact. It’s the same with Switzerland. Most people have guns and yet it’s one of the most peaceful countries in the world, but the mentality of people is to respect life. But if you go to a country where people don’t give a shit then I suppose what do you expect–
AH: Yeah, it suddenly becomes an easy option because you’ve got this thing that you can do something with it.
Mie: I think it’s the same in America as it is in South Africa. A human life isn’t really worth that much but say if you did a crime with corruption or there was money involved, and suddenly your sentence goes up.
AH: And that’s the craziest thing, isn’t it? You get so much more for fraud.
Mille: Of course, yeah.
Mie: Of course. It’s insane.
AH: Than you do for wounding someone with a gunshot.
Mille: Yeah, it’s insane. Even rape and murder it’s not the same as if someone, for instance, had a bank robbery or something, it’s insane.
AH: Yeah, it’s crazy.
Mille: It’s crazy.
AH: You kind of have to wonder if we put our priorities mixed up a little bit.
Mille: Yeah, completely. It’s the same as people with the homeless. I mean, they’ll kick up a fuss about bullshit things like someone getting offended by a remark or comment, but those same people don’t take the offence to real issues. You’ll see people that are starving. Is about 5,000 something, but definitely around 5,000 people who sleep rough every night in England, yet people have so much to say about for instance Donald Trump and foreign presidents and they’ll protest them but there is same 200,000 people could have taken the time and money that they did and I don’t know, protesting someone is not gonna affect them. And they could have helped their own people.
Mie: When somebody has a different viewpoint to somebody else, and the other person says, “Well, that offended me”, but it’s like at the end of the day you still haven’t made a valid point.
AH: I know exactly what you mean.
Mie: Like, “Okay, yes, it offended you but what is your valid point?”.
AH: Everybody gets offended. It’s just natural life.
Mille: Exactly but I think–
AH: It’s how you deal with it.
Mille: It’s true.
Mie: We still wear tighter pants and pull them up and there you go.
AH: Sing higher as a result.
Mille: Yeah, look at the Bee Gees, yeah. I don’t know it’s just crazy for me like that people get offended by the wrong things. You get social cleansing in Colombia, you get big issues out there and you know what? People remain willfully ignorant because it’s almost like they don’t want to get involved. They don’t want to be held accountable for things that they know, so they prefer to ignore it but yet things that shouldn’t be offending them and shouldn’t be affecting them, I mean–
Mie: Like the facts are not to be rude, but the fact that you know Caitlyn Jenner, won Woman of the Year award, and that ESPN award, it’s like there’s so many other people that have actually risked their lives for something just because you got fake tits in your chest and Botox in your face then you suddenly are brave. That’s not brave.
AH: No, especially when you were unconscious when all the op was performed. You’ve had a top world-class surgeon doing all the work.
Mie: And you’ve got f**king millions of dollars.
AH: And it was a choice.
Mille: Yeah, exactly, but firefighters, nurses and people like that, for me that is like someone who deserves an award, but you can’t say this in this day and age, you have to be politically correct.
Mie: I’ll say it, I just did.
AH: Hurrah to you, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mille: We get a lot of sh*t for it someone as you say like stuff on you and you’re like, “Oh my God”.
AH: But bearing in mind though it’s not video, so if you want me to make sure if not you mentioned, yeah.
Mille: Okay, yeah, yeah. Just in case if anyone does want to get offended bring your pitchforks and please kill my sister, her name’s Mie.
Mie: She lives at 29th Street down in Endorf.
Mille: Yeah, she’s 23 years old. She’s five foot ten, she’s blonde, beautiful and yeah, killer.
AH: But it’s the same people as well to get offended by your shows.
Mille: Of course.
AH: It’s the ones that don’t really know, haven’t seen you, heard something, read something and thought, “Right, I’ll take that the wrong way”
Mie: My favorite is when you ask them what is it that you are offended by, what are you angry about? They can’t tell you because they don’t know what they’re angry about. They don’t know.
Mille: It’s the same a few nights ago we did a show and it was amazing as always. Our show is just music, it’s music and freedom, but all these two women could take from it was–
Mie: Their dates, they come up and they’re like, “Oh, I usually just so many managers shows”. It’s like, “What the fuck?”. We played music and we were on stage, we have a message and that’s all that you can get from it, oh that there weren’t that many women at the show. Who gives a fuck?
Mille: I don’t get the audience and go on stage, “How many men?”
Mie: How many women were there? How many guys?
Mille: How many disabled people?
Mie: How many with wheelchairs? Because I mean if you really want to kick up a fuss what about how come they want that many disabled people? Do you know what I mean?
Mille: I mean, fuck’s sakes, if you look for offends you’ll find it everywhere, but the thing for me is–
Mie: How come they weren’t that many black people then?
Mille: How come some shows us more woman? Shall we go on a hunt and say, “Where’re all the guys of the shows?”. it depends on where you go but people focus on the wrong thing.
Mie: They seek out oppression and things that aren’t even there. They’d rarely seek it out.
AH: And people make a big deal of it when actually in reality it doesn’t matter.
Mille: Yeah, even it’s not there. No one was even thinking yet.
Mille: We’ve been through shows like a Doyle show or Misfit show and you know what? Most of the audience is men. I listen to metal and grunge almost exclusively and I tell you now, every show I’ve been to it’s I’m in the minority as a female. But I don’t go around and think, “Oh my God, I’m the only chick here. What the hell”. No, it’s bullshit. Seriously, I don’t give a fuck.
Mie: I think it’s cool, more free drinks for me.
Mille: I didn’t get no free drinks.
Mie: Shut up, man.
Mille: And then in the next breath you say I’m a woman, a guy from the support band said, “Excuse me, ladies, you try to get up the stairs”, and then it went apesh*t on them.
Mie: They said lady, is that gentle labeling? It’s like well, what is he supposed to call you, what are you.
Mille: I just said to him, “Call them pigs”. I said, “All right, pigs, out of my way”.
Mille: If you if you don’t want to be a lady, all right pig, all right dog, whatever fuck.
Mie: I think the world’s gone mad like with this gendered labeling thing. Male, female, there you go.
Mille: And it’s the same with our show. There’s nothing sexual about our show, nothing inherently sexual about skin yet. The people who have the most to say have never been there. I always say to people, “You know it’s really refreshing”. Most men will never get the opportunity to talk to a woman, look her straight in the eye and be in a non-sexual environment and experience her skin, but without it being sexual, do you know what I mean? So, at our show, for instance, I could be wearing body paint, tape or nothing or glitter on my boobs, but no guy has ever said to me any sexual comments after. I’m talking politics, I’m talking about different countries, the government, everything, but not one f**king word, not one discriminatory comment, nothing. And I think it’s great because now they’ve changed their mindset. First, they might have come to the show and thinking, oh they might just gonna see boobs or whatever. But at the end of the day, after five minutes you either gonna get into the music or you’re not and you’re gonna f**k off if you don’t. But people love the music. They get the message, but people who look at a photo are so dumb. It’s like, “Honestly, you have to be f**king kidding me”. And I think it’s great especially for guys because they never get the opportunity. The only time they would see someone topless is in a sexualised way. So, if for instance on a porno magazine, a strip club, and society needs people to see skin as sexual because if it wasn’t it to be, if it was just natural then it wouldn’t sell. It wouldn’t make any f**king money and that’s the thing.
AH: I think you’ve done a great thing though, with the headdresses as well, because you capture the imagination and you do certainly manage what a lot of acts can’t do… to get the guys to actually lift their heads up as one or not look for the chest. You wanted to get them looking at, I mean this is a work of art.
Mille: It is. I think it’s cooler to put an effort into what you wear. I mean look at Kate Bush, look at Cindy Lauper, look at even Jamiroquai, look at people who made an effort. It’s such a–
Mie: It’s magical.
Mille: Yeah, it’s such an experience to listen to the music, to watch your show because you get transported to another world, and that’s what we want to do.
AH: When you think Jamiroquai immediately it’s the hat?
Mille: Yeah, of course.
AH: Always the hat, isn’t it?
Mille: F**king brilliant, yeah.
AH: And then it’s the music and then it’s this and this and this. You do need these things to create your own image, don’t you?
Mille: I think it’s great, I mean–
Mie: I think image is important because I get obviously there’s we have blind fans too and they’re unfortunately they can’t experience that, but I think it’s important to put effort, especially for people that are coming and paying money to see you instead of just I don’t know, rolling out of bed, getting up on stage. That’s cool for people that do that but I would feel like I’ve cheated the people that have paid money to come and see us.
Mille: I’d be annoyed because that’s not how I dress off-stage and I’m not saying that you’re off stage and on stage should be the same. But if I’m not wearing loads of clothes at home why would I now go on stage where I’m supposed to feel my most comfortable because that in some way I’m vulnerable. I have to feel happy in myself when I’m on stage, why would I cover up? That’s not me.
AH: It’s, however, how you feel most comfortable. You can say your confidence comes out on stage if you’re feel comfortable.
Mille: I feel like a tool if I wore like I don’t know, like what don’t I wear?
Mie: You don’t know any wear jeans dude.
Mille: Sometimes I do for a laugh and I mean–
Mie: We have two pairs of jeans, that’s it.
Mille: Yeah, if it’s cold, I’ll wear it for a joke but I mean inside, in my house
Mie: England right now is very cold, yeah so fuck it.
AH: Oh, it’s not that bad yet.
Mille: Oh, god.
AH: This is just off summer we call this now, yeah.
Mille: this is what freaks me out for homeless people because we get out the van some runs off the show at four o’clock in the morning and I almost died. I couldn’t hardly breathe and I just think, “F**k, what do they do?”. It’s terrible.
AH: It’s that witching hour to sort of 3:00, 4:00 AM, that’s the worst for the guys on the street definitely.
Mille: God, I don’t know how they do it. And those kind of issues that’s what we tell people to fight for not my freedom. Don’t fight my freedom, fight for freedom not against it. That’s where people have gone wrong. They think that someone being different to them or having a difference of opinion is somehow a threat to them and they’re being but it’s not. So what? I don’t care if someone has a difference of opinion to me however radical it is, that’s fine as long as they don’t get violent and shit, and don’t feel that they have a right to take someone else’s life I don’t care, paedophiles, rapists, serial killers, those kinds of people, I’m sorry, I do not consider them worth anything, and I think if they do get captured, they should have products and chemicals tested on them.
Mie: Tested on them instead of the animals.
Mille: Yeah. And I think that’s cool, but anyone else, I mean, you can’t be made to feel like a piece of sh*t just because you don’t conform, I think that’s insane and that’s–
Mie: Because you don’t look like society’s picture of normalcy.
Mille: Which is insane, look at most serial killers, they all fitted in.
Mie: They look like and got a normal, perfect guy next door.
AH: They just stay hide, behind the scenes for years, as a result, don’t they?
Mille: Look at Jimmy Saville even.
AH: Nothing, until he was already dead.
Mille: Yes, but look at John Lydon, he tried to expose it if you look at documentaries, he got shit–
Mie: He said it in the documentaries, he said that Jimmy’s–
Mille: There’s something wrong there.
Mie: And then people gave him shit for speaking out.
Mille: Imagine that, a paedophile doesn’t get like this shit but–
Mie: Even Courtney Love with that Harvey Weinstein guy, she’s– People asked her in an interview any advice for girls who want to make it in Hollywood and she said, “If Harvey Weinstein invites you into his hotel room for a meeting, don’t go.” And she said that like way before all the shit went down.
AH: Before anything comes down.
AH: But just goes to show though that those single voices, you need momentum in order to become a thing.
Mille: But it’s all sorts of fashion that’s what’s in, do you know what I’m saying? So, years ago exposing the truth wasn’t in, but now that a lot of people got what they wanted, then suddenly they turn around and they’re like “Oh this happened.” But when it happened to you, you didn’t say anything, and that’s the problem. Now, you’re turning around and it’s fashionable and you can because you’ve got all the money you need, you’ve got all your clouds and all that shit, but at the end of the day, you should have fought this sh*t as it happened.
AH: Very true.
Mille: Sorry, I understand people are scared and that, but if you had a bad experience why did you take the part? Why did you not fight it?
AH: Yeah. And the answer can only ever be is because it’s the way it was at the time, it’s not the right answer is it?
Mille: No, sorry.
AH: But you’re right, it’s turning into a back-slapping exercise, didn’t we do well?
Mille: Yeah. No, it’s true and even this hashtag me too, I mean look, there are real issues, for me children that have been molested by Popes and priests and shit like that, that is disgusting and gender doesn’t even f**king feature in there, it’s boys, girls, everyone, and this me too movement for me is kind of making it a joke, you know people who have actually been through sh*t? We were molested as kids and I would never say to people, “Oh yeah, this is why I’ve got problems and this is–” Come on man, it’s bad, bad sh*t happens.
Mie: Everybody’s been through sh*t in their life but you don’t judge other people by what happened to you.
Mille: And don’t try to make men feel like sh*t for every problem there is in the world, there are some women who are pure evil, there are men who are pure evil.
Mie: Like Rose West.
Mille: But the thing is, it’s not fashionable to hate on men and it’s bullsh*t.
Mie: Like if a guy’s hand brushes your knee or like goes on your shoulder, hashtag me too.
Mille: It’s sexual assaults. Now, what the f**k? That’s insane, but then it makes women who’ve honestly been through f**king hell and back.
Mie: Makes it look like a joke.
Mille: Makes it a joke.
AH: It’s so sad that because I was brought up in a household where– My father has not a bad thing to say about people, he’s the nicest guy you can meet, if he met you two today he’d come up to you– He would put his arm around your waist and just say hi.
Mille: Yeah which is cool.
AH: Because he’s just a nice guy, you know? There would be nothing in it, if we’re out in a restaurant and he wants to get the attention of say, a waitress, he’ll go up to her, “Excuse me, sorry to bother you.” But he’ll put his arm around her.
Mille: But if he does that now, f**k me.
AH: It’s unbelievable, it’s so sad.
Mie: It’s unbelievable.
AH: Because it almost makes physical contact a bad thing.
Mille: That’s exactly what they’re trying to do, they’re trying to make everyone cold and detached, that’s another way of controlling people I think. political correctness so no one dares to say anything because you don’t want to be the one saying the wrong thing now.
Mie: Even if you’re an old man and you go to a canteen and you’re like “Hello lovey.” Then they’ll be like “Don’t call me lovey.”
Mille: But I mean, people need to see the intent behind something.
Mie: There’s a different, obviously, you can tell the difference, I mean, somebody brushing past you or someone saying, “Hey excuse me.” That’s not being– Do you know what I mean?
AH: Yeah, totally.
Mie: I’ve seen men and women get harassed by each gender and its sh*t.
AH: It is.
Mie: Stand up for your rights but you can’t make one whole gender scapegoats for society and like a way to, I don’t know, blame and cast like nowadays if you’re white and a male and straight, you’re kind of f**ked.
AH: Yeah. I wouldn’t get a job these days, I’m sure.
Mie: F**k yeah, it’s crazy.
Mille: Also I think even just to be in a room alone with another female it’s like–
Mie: It’s scary.
Mille: It’s a scary thing.
AH: And it shouldn’t be.
Mille: It’s ridiculous.
AH: If we’re so opposed to be getting gender fluidity, it shouldn’t matter whether I’m in a room with you two or two guys with me or whatever it just is three people in a room.
Mie: But people keep hopping on about the difference and that’s what the problem is.
AH: It’s crazy.
Mie: It’s insane.
AH: It’s very sad. You do wonder where it’s gonna end.
Mie: Yeah but I think it should end now right?
Mille: Yeah, f**k it. We’re just gonna fight for–
AH: It’s a reality check and a dose of common sense kicks back in again.
Mie: It’s the same like say, I’m carrying something very heavy and I’m struggling, and I see a whole bunch of guys staring at me and they don’t help, I don’t think, “Wow, they think I’m a very empowered strong woman.” I just think they’re dickheads. Thanks, f**kers. It’s the same if I see a guy and he’s struggling with something–
Mie: I say, “Hey do you want a hand?”
AH: Yeah of course you do, because it’s the right thing to do.
Mille: And it’s the same with animals, people have become so desensitized, they just don’t care. But more people are caring now which is really good but it’s the same thing when people buy meats in the shops, they see it ready package and that, but I bet you if they saw a screen and it shows what’s happening in the abattoir in real time, they wouldn’t touch meat, they would be like “Oh, god no.” And that’s the truth, it’s the same with everything in this world, people remain willfully ignorant because–
Mie: They’ll just say, “I don’t want to know, I don’t want to see it.”
A pause for breath and then we carry on. Check out Part II of this interview when you get a moment when we look at.. well pretty much everything else that’s messed up in the world. If a topic is mentioned, you can bet the two sisters have a view. Strap in.. we’re not done yet!